@icedquinn @realcaseyrollins @FediFollows @LemmyDev I can't make a community named "pussy" because it's marked in the code as a slur. It's a good feature but it needs to be an abstract and configurable list

@icedquinn @FediFollows @LemmyDev @aktivismoEstasMiaLuo is more knowledgeable about this then I am but they have, in the code itself, a blacklist of words that you cannot use in the title or description of a post.

@icedquinn @LemmyDev @FediFollows @realcaseyrollins that PR would be refused. #Lemmy devs have said that they deliberately hard coded the slur filter so that every Lemmy intance has the same hard-coded words. The problem is that some of those words are substrings of normal dictionary words, so legit noncontroversial posts get harsh treatment. It's clumsy b/c you can't even quote or mock someone who uses a slur.

@realcaseyrollins @FediFollows @LemmyDev @icedquinn I think there is a project "#Lenny" that removes the hard-coded slur filter. And of course it's also rediculous that a fork must be maintained for that, which could then break the #federated connectivity.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @FediFollows @LemmyDev @icedquinn I’ve hopped back on, and it looks like the project has greatly improved. The users claim that the word ban antifeature can be easily altered or removed. I suggested the possibility of making those alterations possible in the UI/frontend, but was unsurprisingly met with a chilling response.

Also, it seems like derpy.email, the instance that #Lenny was created for, is no longer operational, and has closed registrations as well. We could absolutely be served by a flagship #Lenny instance, if anyone feels like hosting one…

@realcaseyrollins @LemmyDev @FediFollows @icedquinn the slur filter was originally implemented so recklessly that if a substring matched the regex, the UI would hard & fast refuse to accept the whole composition with no specific error, and so users were forced to throw away a potentially long (labor intensive) msg in a way that was blind to the mods & ownership, so the problem wasn't even trackable.

@icedquinn @FediFollows @LemmyDev @realcaseyrollins Lemmy evolved from that but this is not just a coding botch.. it reflects reckless disregard for colatteral damage to legitimate users who have no malicious or nefarious intent or effect. #Lemmy devs & lemmy.ml are tyrants in both their design and especially in their management style. Indeed we need to avoid tyranny, thus different devs, which hopefully #Lenny will satisfy.

@realcaseyrollins @LemmyDev @FediFollows @icedquinn Lenny can't likely solve this problem though: #Lemmy is hard-coded to require client-side javascript to the point that text of posts is entirely unreachable w/out it. This ruins the use of archive.org, so if a node goes down or if becomes CloudFlared access to content can be lost forever. And if a moderator abuses their power to censor, archive.org is blocked from showing the abuse.

@icedquinn @FediFollows @LemmyDev @realcaseyrollins The authoritarian attitude of #Lemmy devs is hard-wired into the design such that the whole project should be scrapped. E.g.it would never occur to Lemmy devs that a censored post, whether it breaks rules or not, should be quarantined & preserved in a way that it can be ported to another instance where the rules and standards are more accommodating. Design decisions would resist it

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @icedquinn @FediFollows @LemmyDev If you don’t like #JavaScript, check out #lotide. Unlike #Lemmy, it actually federated with other #Fediverse softwares, and it doesn’t need #JavaScript at all! It’s got more of a #HackerNews feel to it too, which is pretty dope.

Check out narwhal.city, it’s the flagship instance atm

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @icedquinn@blob.cat @FediFollows @LemmyDev @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live We have a public modlog that is used by default. If your problem is that post CAN be removed from the server at all, then you'll be sorely disappointed with basically every fediverse site.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live @LemmyDev @FediFollows@mastodon.online@icedquinn@blob.cat Blatantly untrue now: https://web.archive.org/web/20210128184640/http://lemmy.ml/

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @icedquinn@blob.cat @FediFollows @LemmyDev @realcaseyrollins@counter.fedi.live If your definition of tyranny is not being able to insult marginalized groups with slurs, then I don't know what to tell you, but sure, we're tyrants under that definition.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @icedquinn @LemmyDev @FediFollows @realcaseyrollins That is so incredibly short sighted. Language adapts, and is also not universal. People will just work around the problem and insult people in some other way.

@nx for now federation only works between lemmy instances. federating with other software is more complicated and will come later.

@FediFollows

@LemmyDev What will that look like though? I'm confused about what benefits that would entail. Being able to login with mastodon accounts? or being able to view mastodon posts\threads in lemmy?

@nx The 2nd one. You could follow not only federated communities from the instance you're signed up on, but federated users.

@geewillickers thats just not practical for us as official installation method, because lemmy consists of 5 different services (db, backend, frontend, image hosting, link previews). but it could be an option for some people. we have an open issue regarding docs for manual installation, so you are welcome to write the documentation.

@FediFollows

@geewillickers @FediFollows You're free to come up with a way to build / install every service lemmy depends on, and document them as you go along, but we personally don't have time to do that. Its been an open issue for a long time and no one has attempted it.

@geewillickers to add, the documentation for installing lemmy is precisely inside the dockerfile, written in bash. the relation between services is described in the docker-compose.yml. it shouldnt be very hard to translate it into a guide (but we have too many things to do already).

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@joli Sorry about that, should be fixed now.

@joli @LemmyDev Lemmy.ml is a terrible instance to use anyway. They're censoring legit posts with reckless disregard, and they've even been caught covering up the censorship by changing the modlogs.

@bojkotiMalbona @joli You posted a scam/spam link to a credit card application. We don't allow scams on our instances, start your own instance if you want to be full of spam like that.

@LemmyDev @joli That wasn't my post, it was a reply to me. Apparently @aktivismoEstasMiaLuo's posted that to #Lemmy.ml. But I reviewed it & see no spam or scam. "The True Value Discover Card program ended on 3/6/2020. Because of this, we are no longer accepting new applications." <- is that what you're calling "spam/scam"?

@bojkotiMalbona @LemmyDev @joli

I'm asking if anyone knows of a 3rd-party credit card that works on the #Discovercard network, now that True Value has discontinued their card.

#Lemmy.ml ownership censored my question (in my own community that I moderate)-- apparently their anti-capitalism beliefs won't allow credit card discussion even when the ultimate goal is to find a card that's less socially irresponsible than the typical options.

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @joli @LemmyDev perhaps English isn't their 1st language. I can see how someone not fluent in English might think the post is spam. OTOH, there is a box that starts with "When painting, planting or plumbing, every DYI-er can use a helping hand. Apply for..." - where does that come from?

@bojkotiMalbona

I didn't write what's in that box. I don't know where it came from. If you follow link, it doesn't say that on the webpage.

@joli @LemmyDev

@aktivismoEstasMiaLuo @LemmyDev @joli ah, it's in the raw HTML. <meta name="description" content="When painting, planting or plumbing,

@bojkotiMalbona

That wasn't there when the #Lemmy post was censored. It's a new feature. So they censored it b/c they think what I wrote is spam, or (more likely) their stance against capitalism.

@LemmyDev @joli

@bojkotiMalbona @joli @aktivismoEstasMiaLuo That's an expired credit card application link, lol. Again, if you want to start an instance full of credit card spam, you're free to do so.

@LemmyDev But changing modlogs does not sound too cool? @bojkotiMalbona @aktivismoEstasMiaLuo

@joli @LemmyDev @bojkotiMalbona

Not cool indeed. This modlog used to show that a post about the status of the cock.li mail server was censored b/c the word "cock" was in the subject line:

https://lemmy.ml/modlog/community/14998

After some spot-lighting & thus embarrassment, they cleared it from the modlog to hide the act of censorship itself. (The right move would have been to uncensor the msg, but that didn't happen)

@joli @LemmyDev @bojkotiMalbona

Also if you look at what the modlog still shows, where someone commented about the risk of email providers going out of business, that's also an abuse of power that came from the ownership, not the moderator.

@joli @bojkotiMalbona @aktivismoEstasMiaLuo We've never changed a modlog, so I have no idea where they're getting that from.

@LemmyDev @bojkotiMalbona @joli The modlog for c/email showed the censorship of a discussion on the cock.li status, then it was spotlighted an example of excessive #censorship, and now it's not there. But the original post is not there either. Moderators do not have the power to suppress modlogs. It can only be done by someone in control of the instance.

@LemmyDev

Yes, of course. My whole point was that the credit card is discontinued. I'm looking for a replacement option.

@bojkotiMalbona @joli