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Volla is a German company which sells smartphones with pre-installed de-googlised Android or Ubuntu Touch.

You can follow them at:

➡️ @volla (in English and German)

Their website is at volla.online/en (in English) and volla.online/de (in German).

Ubuntu Touch is maintained by @ubports

@FediFollows Experiences with @volla devices, anyone out here? Just curious how they do perform in daily life, especially talking battery lifetime and camera.
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@z428 @FediFollows @volla @ubports

I have a Volla phone with UBPorts and I am very happy with it. I use it as daily driver. The battery time is decent. UBPorts is getting better with every release and IMHO it is very usable (given that only some apps open-store.io/ are available and that some features from Android/iOS might be missing in Ubuntu Touch).

i think ubuntu touch has no use and it's unpromising in the pretty big world of mobile operating systems. also, volla sells phones w/ pretty high prices and they don't even have keyboards. volla is oriented to german market.

#ubuntu #ubuntutouch #mobile #arm #ubports
@FediFollows @volla @ubports

@veleth
I find Ubuntu Touch quite usable and promising. The Volla Phone and its support is really good. The price is okay given that this small company has ported the OS to their phone.

@FediFollows @volla @ubports

i don't find mobile OS usable without applications, but with ridiculous ecosystem that consists of wrappers for web-apps, PWA it is. i find it awful, but it can exist, if OS provides support for normal apps, especially desktop ones. otherwise, mobile linux has no use. and i can't call ubuntu touch an OS, 'cause it uses LOS and its drivers as a substrate, it weighs a lot. the only one pro this OS has is its interface, which is pretty pleasant-looking

@GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

pmOS, Manjaro ARM, JingOS (for tablets), Sailfish is also cool, and much more to choose, just pick whatever you like, and it will provide you a real OS with all the features that Ubuntu Touch is missing.

#ubuntutouch #ubports #sailfish #sailfishos #postmarketos #manjaro #arm #Jingos

@GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@veleth
I have the feeling that your response is very biased. Ubuntu Touch is a beautiful OS with many useful applications. It is a hassle-free and true open source mobile operating system that does everything I need and it has good battery life. That's why I use it as a daily driver. The UBPorts team and the ecosystem is very active, too.

@FediFollows @volla @ubports

it's good, that you like it. every system can find its user and fan. but i find my words unbiased. it's a fact, that UT has wrappers for PWA. it's a fact, that you can't launch desktop apps w/o crooking own hands via chroot like in Android. it's a fact, that its ecosystem won't suit most of the people, who want linux on their device. it's a fact, that UT uses LOS resources. and it's a fact, that it's beautiful.

#ubports #ubuntutouch #arm #mobile

@GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@veleth Thanks, your points are alright. Though, the selection of criteria is biased. UbuntuTouch fulfills following criteria (to my knowledge, no other Linux mobile OS fulfills these altoghether):
• Functional & mature mobile OS tailored for smartphone/tablet use (ManjaroARM is out)
• FLOSS (Sailfish OS is out)
• Good smartphone usability & battery life (PostmarketOS is out (improving))
• Many native mobile applications.
• Linux user space (all AOSP out).

@FediFollows @volla @ubports

nothing is true about Manjaro ARM. i am using it as a daily driver. pmOS is not for every device, as for now, likewise any other, even UT. there's no OS, that can run flawlessly on any device. FLOSS is not a 100% needed criterion for a standard user. as i said, UT has wrappers for web-applications, no native. the whole purpose of mobile linux is to be and remain linux. it means, user should be able to use _real_ apps, with no web hysteria.

@GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

mobile OS should suit everyone needs, if it's an ordinary user or if it's a linux enthusiast. likewise we have in desktop. i can use ubuntu like a beginner, and i can start modifying it for my needs

@GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

using desktop apps in mobile is the main feature of mobile linux. it was. remember beloved-by-many Maemo? it was perfect. and it has an ideal framework Hildon, that could adapt any software for finger use.

#mobile #nokia #mobile

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@veleth
Maemo was nice, indeed. I had a Nokia N800 with Maemo (but unfortunately no Nokia N9 with MeeGo)
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@veleth @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

> UT has wrappers for web-applications, no native

Sorry, but this is simply not true. Ubuntu touch has a decent collection of native apps available and I have written some myself. They are usually written in C++ and Qt (more recently also Rust, Go). Unlike desktop apps, these apps are specifically created for UT.

There are also webapps which exist for conveniently using services for which there is no native app.

not much of them as for now. so there's often a matter of no choice between web and nothing

@TimSueberkrueb @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@veleth @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports not much? Compared to Android? Sure, UT has only a small but IMO decent collection. Compared to the number of *native* (non-Android) mobile apps (non-Desktop) available to other alternative mobile Linux projects? Lots.

I'd like to ask a more general question: What mobile OS fulfills following criteria (or gets close to it) in 2021?

• Mobile OS tailored for smartphone/tablet use
• OS functional & mature
• FLOSS
• Good smartphone usability & battery life
• Decent native mobile apps.
• Linux user space
• Linux desktop apps

Not many OS fulfill it. UT comes close (last point via Libertine). IMHO PostmarketOS with Phosh Plasma isn't there yet. What else?

@veleth @TimSueberkrueb @FediFollows @volla @ubports

speaking of mobile linux OS, as i've mentioned, they are not for every device. an OS must be ported to each device separatedly. but they do support desktop apps. JingOS is the only perfect for tablets, i suppose. but i only suppose, i had no tablets in my life, so i won't recommend anything. i was told, that JingOS is pretty neat to be used on tablets, it's tailored for them.

@GerryT @TimSueberkrueb @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@veleth

UT has many nice native applications. E.g. I am using here Axolotl(Signal), Teleports(Telegram), Corona App, Authenticator, FluffyChat, Map/Navigation apps, the other excellent default apps, and there are many other apps available.

@FediFollows @volla @ubports @TimSueberkrueb

still not enough to suit everyone's needs. i would use it though, if it had normal desktop application support and no LOS under the carpet

@GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports @TimSueberkrueb

@veleth @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports it uses the Android underpinning on devices where that's the only or most pragmatic way to get hardware access. If you don't want any proprietary drivers but still want functioning hardware, you are simply out of luck on commercial mobile phones.
UT doesn't use any Android underpinnings on the PinePhone, for example.

and i can agree that it has more apps than 1.5 years before, when i used UT. but still, no desktop apps

@GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports @TimSueberkrueb

containers is the more ugly way to use software. and as i said before, UT's desktop apps support is screwed. it's just like chrooting in Android.

@GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports @TimSueberkrueb

@veleth @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports no it's not, sorry. You can install and run native Linux desktop outside of any containers and run them on UT. It is *recommend* to run them in a container simply because the rootfs is read-only by default to enable smooth image-based upgrades. These are more efficient for slow SD-cards or mobile internet connections and are less likely to break.

i didn't meet successful experience on running desktop apps under UT.

@TimSueberkrueb @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@veleth @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports Yeah, as I said, it is not very polished and may be currently broken on your device. It works out of the box on my Sony Xperia X, though :)

@TimSueberkrueb Thanks for the screenshot. Is this with Libertine or outside any container?

@veleth @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@GerryT @veleth @FediFollows @volla @ubports This is using Libertine, simply installed using the system settings :)

we really need something like maemo with hildon, so desktop apps would be adaptive to mobile environment

@TimSueberkrueb @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@veleth @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports UT has been able to run desktop apps for years. The support is currently a bit unpolished and broken on some devices though. They are deliberately run in a container (or, if no LXC support, chroot) because unlike other mobile Linux projects, UT has a strict confinement model that ensures Apps can only access the data you want them to. Also, for mobile phones, an image-based update process makes much more sense anyway.

@GerryT
> PostmarketOS is out

Hey, I feel insulted 😂

Usability comes down to the DE in use and really depends on your preferences as well. I don't find SXMO at all usable but lots of people think otherwise.

Battery life depends on the device in question and doesn't have much to do with the OS (although of course it matters a bit). The PinePhone has as much battery life on pmOS as on any other OS for example. And well, how optimized the DE and apps are, which are not made by the OS itself.

@bart Thanks for your response. Never mind, I didn't want to be insulting.

Good to hear that battery life can be good with PostmarketOS.
I remember all the discussions (Maemo/MeeGo, Ubuntutouch, etc.) on energy usage, multitasking, hibernation modes and app confinement that make mobile operating systems different from desktop OS. UT is designed that way, for example. How does PostmarketOS solve these issues? Is it generally possible to run UT apps on Unity8 on PostmarketOS? Thanks!

@veleth @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

Sorry but no.
UT actually doesn't support PWA.
UT can run desktop application with Libertine easily, users doesn't have to use the chroot command.
UT isn't based on LOS at all, and only some devices use an Android kernel to have the drivers to talk to hardware. But this isn't linked to UT. I'm running UT on my #pinephone and I don't have anything related to Android in it.

that's only because you run it on #pinephone, as it was mentioned before. you will have LOS under UT image on other devices.

@fla @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@veleth @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports You may choose to use an android kernel yeah. But that is linked to the device, not to the OS. If PostmarketOS runs with a vanilla kernel on your device, then UT can also do it. Looking at all your comments, it looks like you should give UT another try, you are making a lot of wrong assumptions about the project here

i made my assumptions depending on my experience of using UT and comparing it w/ other operating systems.

@fla @GerryT @FediFollows @volla @ubports

@FediFollows @volla @ubports Note that the Volla Phone comes with the downstream Android kernel, and the Ubuntu Touch that comes with it uses Halium to run.

Because of this I really don't think it deserves any praise to be honest. The PinePhone and the Librem 5 or any mainlined Android phone is way more promising.

@bart

Baby steps. If it gets someone off pure Android that's better than being on it. The Librem 5 is a lot more expensive and the Pinephone isn't daily driver ready for many, myself included.

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