@lightweight I mentioned you and OER Foundation as inspiring example at greaterthanlearning.online/

The people behind it are transitioning from a services business to an open platform cooperative, with exciting vision and plans (unfortunately they had to do this transition quicker than planned).

Maybe you are interested to reach out to Mathew Mytka, as they are looking for the kind of expertise you bring to OERu, among others..

See for more background: greaterthanlearning.online/blo

@humanetech I've joined their platform... although I'm not seeing any evidence of their open source-ness... they talk a lot about openness and transparency, but not seeing any code....

@humanetech all their content seems to be "all rights reserved"...

Hi @lightweight sorry to be late in responding. Yes, you are right, but it is in the transition that these aspects will be addressed. Mat calls it 'Metamorphosis'. And what that entails will be up to those involved in the elaboration, and is effort open to anyone willing to join.

Mat will respond later, with his new fedi acount at @m3me when it becomes operational ;)

@humanetech @lightweight - realised I've created 2 fedi accounts...rookie mistake.

@m3me @lightweight

> rookie mistake.

That depends.. with two hands you can operate each of them simultaneously like Mozart does a piano :D

Which one will you continue to operate? Or both?

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@humanetech @lightweight

Interesting way to look at it 🤔

I'll stick with the this one. Click of a button auth and portability to other servers would be nice to see down the line.

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@m3me @lightweight

Portability exists, in the sense of moving your account to a different (mastodon) instance.

What you refer to is roaming identity, I think. #zap has implemented that, along a whole bunch of other #activitypub extensions.

zotlabs.com/zap/

@humanetech @lightweight

Portability does exist but it is far from seamless. Roaming identity sounds interesting. I will check it out :)

@m3me @lightweight

The real issue is #interoperability where at #SocialHub among others there's tons of work to be done to improve things :)

Spec conformance is not enough, besides format there's also the #linkeddata semantics that should match.

Various forum topics ongoing. Today I typed this on the subject: socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/

@humanetech @m3me @lightweight I am somewhat skeptical about linked data. If there's enough variety in linked data and its distribution is typical for decentralized systems, then I expect that avalanche attacks will become possible.

Also things like schema.org are really just another Google front.

@bob

Do you have more info on avalanche attacks? Unfamiliar with the concept.

Yea, schema.org is mostly the whole SEO shebang.

I think for a long time to come fedi will use LD as-if it were plain json, and just add a @context property for good measure.

Most extensions will be closed vocabs anyway, hopefully well-defined, just standardized enough for decent amount of interop. No semantic webs, or anything near that any time soon :)

@m3me @lightweight

@humanetech @bob @m3me @lightweight By avalanche attack I mean that if a schema needs to be resolved then that may require going through a series of servers, similar to DNS. Changes to the top level schema on a single server can then have cascading effects throughout the whole network. So even though your system may be federated the interpretation and security (json signatures) of data may come to depend upon one or a small number of servers. It can be mitigated by cloning/caching, but there is then also the possibility of poisoning and which schema is the real one.

The idea of semantic markup isn't bad, and could be very useful. It's just that via schema.org Google gets to impose its particular ontology on the world. Some people around here may have experience with having inappropriate ontologies superimposed onto them.

@bob @humanetech @m3me @lightweight While I'm very skeptical of Google in the whole, I know at least one of the guys behind schema.org, and he's one of the good ones.

Speaking to him, I would consider schema.org a collection of *possible* schemata some of which search engines happen to try and understand.

There is a lot there that is not SEO related, and nothing stops you from deriving other stuff partially from...

@bob @humanetech @m3me @lightweight ... what's hosted there.

I'm fact, I'd go further and argue that the best use of schema.org is to treat it as a reference for how to write a schema 😁

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