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По #yggdrasil адресу 302:29cc:cc7f:f07e:be24:11ff:fedb:3f30 расположен #chatmail сервер dchat.twinkle.lol
Это специализированный сервер для #deltachat
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Будет ли он корректно работать, если к нему прийти чисто по адресу - не знаю. Скорее всего нет. Но если прописать у себя в hosts, своём DNS (или что там у вас) соответствие
302:29cc:cc7f:f07e:be24:11ff:fedb:3f30 dchat.twinkle.lol
будет работать (у меня - работает).
twinkle.loltwinkle.lol
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chatmail -- small c; a collection of mature protocols deployed together as a platform for messaging, including smtp, imap, pgp; not a commercial/corporate entity -- is legitimately an alternative to Signal et al that's surveillance-state resistant, federated, and community- or self-hosted

For users, it's simple to use, fast, secure, and familiar.

For admins, it's open source, easy to deploy+maintain, and has minimal hardware requirements.

chatmail.atChatmailChatmail provides FOSS infrastructure for interoperable, secure, speedy and reliable end-to-end encrypted messaging. Check out clients as Arcane Chat, Bots or Delta Chat today!

23 is the number of currently active #chatmail relays we heart about by now. Only 6 are listed at chatmail.at/relays to complicate ongoing state-level blocking attempts. Please keep setting up #chatmail relays -- and thanks to all the early adopters and carers!

July 2025 some key contributors will do sessions in #Lille, France at @passthesaltcon
and discuss the state of efforts to scale #deltachat #chatmail and #webxdc to billions of people and bots, without any central points of control.

chatmail.atChatmail: RelaysChatmail provides FOSS infrastructure for interoperable, secure, speedy and reliable end-to-end encrypted messaging. Check out clients as Arcane Chat, Bots or Delta Chat today!

"if your social media network can go down it is not decentralized" they say and rightfully so. Same is true for much other infrastructure ... Energy, water, internet utilities ... And of course messaging. If your messenger can go down it's not decentralized. During 2025 we aim to make #deltachat and #chatmail infrastructure in particular into the most resilient and mass-user accessible private messenging utility out there ... If it isn't already :)

Organizational note: It might appear that #deltachat #chatmail and #webxdc contributors are easily "on the same page". In fact, there are many ongoing controversial discussions in backrooms and public spaces. We are dealing with tons of user perspectives and feedback, researcher and developer stances, many UX/UI considerations, complex implementation and platform adaptation. We are internally allowing contradictions and complexity ... See also Ashby's requisite variety edgeofpossible.com/ashbys-law-

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@avoca @josephb is there a specific reason to have one in AU?
You could use netcup or whatever else is out there (cheap). Spend your 70 yearly instead.

If speed is the reason we're currently testing our #chatmail server in Germany and clients are in New Zealand etc. You can't really tell any difference. You send a message and it arrives ;) And law is also better in Germany as in AU.

Or is it just: Because, why not! ;)

The trajectory of E2E-encryption is about de-platforming: There shall be no central machines that can control the edges/peers, and the social groups and virtual centers they freely form.

Our #deltachat R&D around #chatmail relays and #webxdc apps all aim to realize such a "zero-platforms" fully E2E-encrypted interaction model. However, this is *not* just about cryptographic cleverness. Rather it is about usable anti-authoritarian designs, as explicitly stated in January delta.chat/en/2025-01-23-webxd

delta.chatDelta Chat: Replacing billionairish platforms with ZIP files
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Easter/April offer 🐣 if you are onboarding a small group of family/friends to #deltachat and/or want to setup a insta-federated #chatmail relay let us know about any issues. Just post on fediverse and tag us. In case of bugs/issues we'll see to privately set up a support chat to help sort out any issues, or file accordingly to our development tracker. We want Delta to work flawlessly for private chatting and to better understand any remaining irritations or problems. Thanks and enjoy :)

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@Tina do you mean #chatmail relay servers when you say fastmail server by chance? As to electron desktop, a) it's pretty fast and all networking and encryption is done by chatmail core Rust library, while the rendering part is blocked from any network access b) there is a Tauri version in development but not quite there yet. If that's the blocker maybe check back in a few months. Cheers.