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Jupiter Rowland
@AJ Sadauskas
I mean, the Fediverse already has Lemmy, KBin, and MBin.

So there's already an ecosystem of pre-built communities out there.

/kbin is dead. Has been since last year. The last instances that haven't moved to Mbin are withering away.

However, in the "Lemmy clone" category, there's also PieFed, and Sublinks is still in development.

Also, the Facebook alternative Friendica ("Facebook alternative" not as in "Facebook clone", but as in "better than Facebook") has had groups since its launch in, 2010, five and a half years before Mastodon. Hubzilla has had groups since 2012 when it still was a Friendica fork named Red. (streams) (2021) and Forte (2024) have groups, too. All four are part of the same software family, created by the same developer. And interacting with their groups from Mastodon is somewhat smoother than interacting with a Lemmy community.

On Friendica, a group is simply another user account, but with different settings: In "Mastodon speak", it automatically boosts any DM sent to it to all its followers. In reality, it's a little more complicated because, unlike Mastodon, Friendica has a concept of threaded conversations. (No, seriously, Mastodon doesn't have it. If you think Mastodon has it, use Friendica for a year or two as your only daily driver, and then think again.)

Likewise, on Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte, it's another channel with similar settings.

CC: @myrmepropagandist @Jasper Bienvenido @sebastian büttrich @Asbestos

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #FediverseGroups #Groups #PieFed #Sublinks #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
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julian

tl;dr — how do PieFed/Lemmy/Mbin handle cross-posting?

Currently, when a NodeBB admin moves a topic from the uncategorized pseudo-category into a local category, we federate out an as:Announce, people typically think of that as a "boost" or "share".

That worked fine when the entirety of the category list was your local categories plus the "uncategorized" pseudo-category. However, now that NodeBB is moving towards supporting remote categories (via group actors), this UX makes less sense. We wouldn't want to "move" a topic out of the category it is supposed to be in, just for visibility to other local users. Additionally, topic moving was limited to administrators, and from the get-go we knew it would eventually cause issues because people other than admins would want to share topics to other local users.

This is where the "cross-post" functionality comes in, which is entirely new to NodeBB. I don't think this is new to other AP-enabled threaded discussion software. The idea would be that if a new topic comes in, whether it's uncategorized or not, any user could "cross-post" that topic to a local category, where it would be visible to other users on that instance. On the ActivityPub side, we would then federate out an as:Announce as we already do.

Is this what PieFed/Lemmy/Mbin already do, if they support cross-posting? What other alternative solutions would there be to this problem?

cc @rimu@mastodon.nzoss.nz @andrew_s@piefed.social @nutomic@lemmy.ml @bentigorlich@wehavecookies.social

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Jupiter Rowland
@Jasper Bienvenido The only talk about a Discord "alternative" in the Fediverse comes from people who want 1:1 clones of all kinds of commercial stuff with an absolutely identical UX, but free and open-source and decentralised with ActivityPub.

Otherwise, for just simply chatting, including multi-user chatrooms, there are Matrix (iOS/Android: Element) and XMPP (iOS: Monal IM, Android: Conversations). They are not part of the Fediverse, but they are free, open-source and decentralised. And they are alternatives to iMessage, Telegram and WhatsApp as well.

For discussion groups/forums, and very much in the Fediverse as in connected Mastodon, there are
  • Lemmy (Reddit clone)
  • Mbin (like Reddit, but better)
  • PieFed (like Reddit, but better)
  • Friendica (like Facebook, but better and more powerful)
  • Hubzilla (like Facebook, but much better and much, much more powerful)
  • (streams) (like Facebook, but much better and more powerful)
  • Forte (like Facebook, but much better and more powerful)

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Discord #DiscordAlternative #XMPP #Jabber #Matrix #Groups #Lemmy #Mbin #PieFed #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
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Rimu

What do you notice about the comments on this post?

piefed.social/post/555259

The post was made in the news@lemmy.world #Lemmy community and other posts linking to the same news article were made in technology@lemmy.world and in askusa@discuss.online. 3 different posts in 3 different communities.

#PieFed de-duplicates them and only shows the post once in your timeline and when viewing the post all the comments on those 3 posts are shown in the same list.

Fedi fragmentation = solved

piefed.socialUS appeals court rejects copyrights for AI-generated art lacking 'human' creatorI’ll take whatever good news we can get.
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julian

Hi @andrew_s@piefed.social/@freamon and @nutomic@lemmy.ml —I'm working (not-so-secretly) on refactoring NodeBB so that it is able to "browse" remote audiences/group actors, and that would include things like PieFed and Lemmy communities.

N.B. Given varied nomenclature (group/category/community/subforum), the ForumWG calls this structure an "audience".

Where I am at now is working through the logic for slotting an object into a category.

The most obvious choice here would be to look at as:audience. It's even specified in 1b12, and the majority of threaded implementations follow 1b12.

I am making this post because nutomic explicitly removed the audience from being served in Lemmy (as of January this year), so I don't think relying on that property would be wise.

I asked in that issue whether Lemmy finds community via to/cc (it does). Does PieFed do the same?

Would this also open up the possibility of a topic/context being part of multiple audiences/communities? Interesting...

NodeBB Communityfreamon
#activitypub#audience#1b12
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Jerry on Mastodon

#Piefed has a great new feature. When you search for a community, it doesn't just look for communities that your server knows about, but it also looks through the #Lemmy index, via LemmyVerse.net, to find Lemmy communities that you can then bring into the Piefed instance you're on.

piefed.social/post/531611

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